Here's some short sentences on VS 97 (Since I have a low attention span<g>) MSDEV is still the same development environment as VC 4.2...the interface has been jazzed up some to look more like Office 97 and it has better integration with packages such as J++, etc... Think of it as Office 97 for developers. VFP is still VFP, a standalone product. Just like VB 5 and VSS will be. VFP 5 will have updated files to stay in sync with the rest of Visual Studio (OCX's, etc..) Have you ever seen 10 different groups get together to build one solid product? It was fun <g> -= Ken =-