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>Yes, I'm aware of using a non-visual DE. As for dropping it, I'd like to hear how you set things up made your form instantiation slow. I hear that often, but if you open all the tables in main.prg, it seems to speed things up dramatically.

You can see my complete reply to Kenneth in the "Not Using DE" thread
basically openning all the tables doesn't seem to save that much time also it is not an option in many situations

Arnon