: : >: I am looking for a visual DE approach. : > : >this should be pretty much the same : : Yes, this is what I did. I usually enters my table by having the parent : first and the child after. But, sometimes, it may happen that we have to : change the order. So, we don't want to remove the table and add them again : because we will lost all the properties of the objects. well, what can I say, I knew there was a reason why I converted DEs to code (g) Arnon