Chuck,

I would seriously recommend having a look at Codemine. It is a suberb OOP implementation. In your terms, it is "form based" to the extent that it is very happy with tables but is equally happy with views connected to SQL backends. It has a very powerfull data manager class that is one if its very strongest points. The data manager will analyse a forms DE irrespective of what combination of tables/views and relationships exist in there. Then, it subsequently manages these cursors with the Codemine controls that have enhanced data binding features. You can also then subclass the data manager with its cursor set and then reuse that data manager sublcass on other forms that use the same tables/cursors. Also, the main validation and rules are hosted by the data manager class. Therefore, any new forms that utilise the subclassed data manager automatically inherit all the rules in the data manager. This type of data control has some very distinct advantages over doing simlar stuff in the DBC. The other products mentioned, I have no experience with, but I believe Mere Mortals and VFE to be very good products. It would be fair to say that these frameworks do lend themselves to using views and a client/server approach. Codemine gives you this type of functionality but also lets you create a more granular form based approach with the advantages of the brilliant data manager class but a more "form like" approach where required. Also, you are coding very close to VFP. You can be as flexible as you want to be without being railroaded into an unnatural development style.

I hope this helps.

Best

Gary


>I just came back from AppDev VFP 6.0 training. It was highly suggested to buy an third party framework. From what I learned, there are two kinds: "data centered" and "form centered" framework. I like to ask what you experience with frameworks. I was told that "data centered" framework are flexable with SQL Server while "form centered" framework works best for forms (front end). I am looking for "form centered" framework. I was told that "Codebook" is "data centered". Can you help with which are "form centered" framework and which works well (and what would be the cost $$). If you just list the names, like "FoxExpress", "FireFox", etc, that will not help me, I need more than "titles" descrptions.
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>Thank you.
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>Chuck