>Eeekkkk you make it sound if SET EXCLUSIVE ON for the Brits, there are others, so set to off...not many but there out there

Iain,
I was only joking, up until fairly recently I was one of two British people using the U.T. on a regular basis, it's nice to see a few more have joined, are you a member of the Developers User Group in the U.K. ( formerly Fox User Group )? they run a couple of seminars a year one of them in Microsofts HQ in Reading which is worth the day off, it comprises of two tracks VB and VFP although the VFP track was a bit on the tame side last year, I guess they try to accomodate everyone

Regards

Pete Kane

BTW I read the articles you suggested and now have some bones to work with