I don't think Microsoft thinks VFP is a toy, while sometimes there are cases where field representatives aren't educated enough about VFP and say the wrong thing, but usually gets corrected when possible. Microsoft is serious about VFP as you will see when the upcoming versions (yes plural) are released. I agree we have come a long way since 2.6, and you will someday say the same about 6.0. I hope you are going to DevCon in Palm Springs, where there will be a heat wave in the hotel. <s>