>Aha, extra special case :) Then first collect columnorders into an array, sort the array, use activecolumn as an index to array.
>Cetin

Yes, that's what I had to do. Rather stupid on the part of the VFP designers not to return the proper control. It causes problems for the What'sThisHelp, since it only finds the grid, and neer the controls. That's what started this whole thing - WhatsThisHelp would not work, so I did my own.

Thanks again.

larry