> And who says you are forced to use ADO to be contender in the n-tier environment? ADO in of itself has major limitations, and if all the functionality is built into the bizobj, then perhaps the only thing to do would be to tie into the bizobj and not the view that the bizobj is based on.

Very good point, and your right... we dont have to jump on the ADO band wagon. But I meant that comment in terms of responding to your points about the new perks we get with SP3... My thinking is if your gonna roll right along with the latest greatest M$ train of new stuff, well then be prepared to do ADO.

> You made some excellent points, and I too wonder which direction will be taken in the next version. I'd love to hear from Kevin at this point...

I'm sure we will... < duck > I think I sort of called his hand here to atleast say something about the next version. (Sorry Kev, I know you were waiting on DevCon but James stuck a big old stick in the pot I've been stewing over and stirred it so good I couldn'l leave it go)