>>I look at the principle first. My outlook is to save every rec before a user moves on. I prefer to do a manual save but I will do an auto-save if the customer specifies.

I respect your way of doing things. But, all these new features of VFP brings new power in the programming and beside this is what my client wants. So, we have optimistic everywhere. Now that I am conformtable with these techniques, I surely don't wont to go back in pessimistic unless the client specifies it.

I thought the bug of the refresh in the grid was fixed in 3.0b but it isn't. We tried many workarounds but this one it a HARD ONE.