a quick menuless way is to make the main form modal. That way is stays up. But this only works for a one window system. The real way is to make a menu and a start-up program that calls the menu. The even more sophisticated method is to design a framework class that has all the basics in it and then start all new projects from this framework. Will Hentzen Sp? VFP 3.0 book was a good first framework book that is easy reading for a newer programer. Unfortunately it is two generations behind.