I disagree. Just because the basic visual representaion of a menu hasn't changed for years, doen't make it archaic. Menus are concise, naturally hierarchical, often self-explanatory, and very functional. I will not argue that apps don't need any other means of navigation, but, IMHO most decent sized apps still need menus.

It is a personal pet peeve of mine when a developer has gone through great lengths to make his app colorful, and full of icon and pictures, but the end result is still an unintuitive, confusing, anything-but-standard app. Have you used Acrobat Reader 3.0? All of the browser functionality lives in toolbar buttons with NO F***ING TOOLTIPS! The authors carefully chose cute little pictures for every button on the toolbar, but the user has to guess what each one does. There are simply not enough pixels in most toolbar buttons to allow a picture that decriptively explains what the buttons does.

And the lack of menus in an app does away with the ability of a user to become a "power user", because shortcut keys, if they exist, are not easily discoverable. Windows standards say that any functionality available in a toolbar should be duplicated in a menu item somewhere, and I think this is great policy.

Just my .12



>PMFJI - but c'mon everybody! Menu's are about the most archaic way of presenting "action options" to users I can think of - think VISUAL folks! We could stand to learn a lot about modern UI from some of the multimedia and game programmers.
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>Just my .02
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>Ken
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>>>Is there going to be any changes to VFP's menuing?
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>>No changes to the menuing system were mentioned that I can remember. And since OO menus have been requested for a millenia and have not been incorporated, we probably won't see them.
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>>Bill