>>>Hi George,
>>>
>Um, to get my thinking clear, then does this mean that if the producer makes a product that is intentionally meant to last only a short time, we can still call it a quality product? And does this mean that for a product with a warranty, the measure of the quality of the product is the warranty? ( eg your van that conked before the 70K warranty )

I think that's the problem I have with that definition of quality. I don't care if a manufacturer "thinks" they make a quality product just because it fits their requirements. If it doesn't fit mine, I don't consider it a quality product (symantically correct or not). I see someone's thesis paper in here somewhere ;-)