>Promatrix from Promatrix Corp. >MaxFrame from MaxTech Inc. >Visual Extend from ASG Devigus >Visual FoxExpress from Neon Software >CodeBook from Flash Creative Management I don't believe I'm offbase here (if I am, I will be severely chastised soon), but both Visual FoxExpress and Visual Promatrix are application generators with built-in customizable frameworks while the rest of the items that have been mentioned are not application generators, but application frameworks only. They are all reputable companies, but I can only comment that I have used the FoxExpress app generator with pretty fair success. The Visual product from Neon Software has been beta testing for a long, long time now and should be officially released real soon now <g>. ==Carl http://www.mindspring.com/~cjwarner/mcfug.htm