>>I don't need really need any INIT actions, I just want to rearrange a stack of open forms in formset several different ways during runtime. I guess I can build my own methods for doing this, perhaps using ZOrder(0) in successive calls...
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>Well, I avoided this completely by using pages in a pageframe on a single form instead of separate forms <g>
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>It's what my users wanted, fortunately! If they'd wanted separate forms like yours then I'd be learning how to do this ordering stuff too.

Yes, it's kind of a messy business, but the users want a lot of stuff on separate forms they can visually have all open at once on high resolution screens. I always try for pageframe fits for objects first too...