Mike-
Interesting. Turns out it's the movable property that does the trick in particular. IOW, closable can still be true, but the rest all need to be false.

Thanks for the clarification.

>Hi Nancy,
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>>No, actually. In VFP the best we could do was have no caption, and control box. But the title bar would still be there.
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>Thats wrong. if you remove the minmax buttons, the controlbox, empty caption, movable and closeable set to false, then the titlebar magically disappeared. I remeber batting this out in VFP3.