Ken,

>> But THAT FACT (at least when talking data -centric apps) is EXACTLY what we need to change!!!! there is NO excuse at SQL Serve seminar for VFP not to be used in equal amounts as VB or VC as the demo front end. As long as we have a "oh that's too much too ask, it'll never happen" attitude ... well, we'll be right.

I've been doing Fox since 1987 and hearing the same stuff from day one, only then it was A-T that was the big bully on the block or Nantucket was the eeevvilll entity. *g*

A few observations if you will permit me:

1) There are *NO* guarantees for *any* language in terms of durability.

2) Some languages are more entrenched than others. C & C++ more than VB, VB more than VFP, etc. It's the way of life.

3) There will never be any end to the need for developers.

4) Developers need constant pressure to keep sharp.

5) If a developer feels insecure in the current language they are using they should move to a more entrenched language.

6) Don't waste your time and effort trying to change those who care less about your survival than their own bottom line. That applies to your customers and your suppliers (of development tools).

7) Be the best you can be at your chosen development tool. A constant series of success stories created with your particular development tool will do far more for the advancement of that particular development tool than any open letter, whining campaign, public fretting or arm twisting.

8) Make your customers make money with your development tool and your development tool supplier will have more justification to their stockholders to prolong the viability of that tool.

9) Never stop learning and ALWAYS keep an eye towards the future.

10) Never presume that the knowledge you have used successfully in the past will help you in the future.

11) Enjoy the ride. Have some fun and let others worry about stuff they can't control anyway.

Best,