realize the great truth of product success is that "What real ain't what's real, what they believe is real is what's real".
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>If you don't believe this ... talk to BetaMax owners!
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>Ken

You raise some valid points. Now, how do you propose we do anything to change MS's mentality. My suggestion is to build great apps, learn as much web based stuff as you can, demonstrate your products and show how you can build it faster and cheaper and it will outperfom the others. I feel a groundswell of support for Web Connect and similar apps, or is that the New Madrid fault.