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>The "outside in" approach may be OK and help a little, but there needs to be an "inside out" overhaul with MS taking the LEAD to get VFP equal footing, demo presence, etc. at these things.

It will NEVER take equal footing with VB. And, FYI, Robert has been working inside MS to increase visibility of VFP...and he's had some good success.

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>As far as marketing budget constraints ... they would be better served to spend EVERY penny of the VFP budget on educating MS instructors, support, sales, consultants, presenters, etc. and getting formal programs in place to integrate VFP into these seminars, conventions, etc. than they would to place Ads anywhere.
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>Ken