First, Walter, there is no need at all for "sorry" in discussions like this. I know for example that I am often unclear and imprecise in my writing. We can only continue to discuss until we all understand each other's points.

>Jim,
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>I think we *do* share the same thinking.
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>All I tried to explain is that with an "Implicit release" meaning when a variable goes out of scope, not using the RELEASE command, the behaviour should stay the same as it is now. Hereby I refer to the oForm example.
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>With a RELEASE command I still doubt, but have no strong objection to let the object release under any circumstances (althoug i think it maybe nice if you could tell VFP that you only want to release the variable, not the object).
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I would not objct at all if, in their adoption of this, the VFP Team did as you suggest and permit a way to release a memvar without releaseing the referenced object. As long as we could also definitely release the object when we say so.

>The release method, should alway's release the object.
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>Sorry if I was not clear enough in the previous messages.
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>Walter,

Agreeably (I hope),

Jim