>Roi,
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>First the question was not related to teh fomr existing yet or not, it was that he wanted to use the same class without a fomr and have the code work. He was trying to find out if there was a form or not.
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Sorry, I misunderstood that part.

>Secondly, in answer to your inquiry, fomrs are a different beast from other controls. They do exist before their contained objects are created. The fomr exists during the form Load event (though not fully instantiated yet). This si necessary because you need to be able to manipulate form properties in the Load to set things before the DE opens tables. After the load finishes the contained controls will be created from the inside out of the containership.

I'm beginning to understand now. Thanks for the info.