>Is there any code in the base class of the button or group that changes the caption at runtime? Possibly in the init or refresh. For example, on a form I may change the caption of a button from "Add" to "Save" depending on if I am editing a new record or an existing one.

absolutelty zilch...

was what I was about to write. Then I thought "hang on - better check that" and surenuff there it was in the refresh

thats a cookie I O U!

Thanks
Harry