>I'm not personally defending VB or attacking VFP. I know a lot of developers take this stuff personally and passionately. My allegiance is to Microsoft and $$$. If MSFT says we should develop in Visual Fubar, guess what, I'll be developing in Visual Fubar.

You have made your point clear. We all make our money from software development, so we should have VERY good reasons for whatever tool we use. My point is money, as developer. I haven't found a single other computer language where I can find what we have for Fox. With a number of users an order of magnitude lower that VB, and even less third party tools, we have VFE, VFX,VPM, Codemine, Visual MaxFrame and al least other 5 frameworks that offer an incredible set of features for the business developer.

I often navigate the web for this kind of products for other languages (Power Builder, VB, Delphi, etc) and there is nothing that compares. The last one aI was evaluating was Cerebellum, a new "framework" for Visual Basic. There is simply no point of comparison with even the worst commercial VFE framework.

With a framework, a developer can complete a full featured project in half the time it would take without, or even faster. With VFP and no framework, you can complete a DATABASE project about 1/3 times faster than in VB, so do the math. The other point of the equation is, of course, that there are many times less projects that can be done in VFP. Every single customer I have met wants VB.
For now, it works for me. But in the future, I have the problem solved:

I'll use VFE web version with West Wind to make my next ERP (That's what I do). I'll offer my system in ASP with XML, no mention of VFP if it can cause trouble with some Dilbert Managers, and I'll take the enormous advantage of a greatly reduced development time, stronger tools, state of the art technology and the satisfaction of get rid of all the "Is it in Visual Basic?" eternal question.

Try to find something similar for VB....

Best regards