Yep, it's solved. Rainy day play project for future. :-)

Thanks

>Aack! Sounds like a royal PIA, yes? Sounds like you have a work around...if you want to revisit this in the future...feel free to do so. For now, shall we call it solved, though? Otherwise I'd be happy (I lie < bg>) to help with it more.
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>>Nope, it's in there. Maybe a couple of other things would help. The grid is in a container, and the container is on the form. Also, it's not a base class grid. (I'm really stretching) I've found a work around. (I can check the value of the bound field) I just thought this was strange. I haven't tried it with a base grid outside of the container. It might be all of that put together has some bizarre side effects.