I did, and it did. thanks. I never saw an OVR though. You seem to know the program pretty well, do you have a clue about the afore mentioned method problem? Is that typical behavior as well?

>>I don't see it, but i have a feeling it has something to do with my problem with methods causing controls to be disabled (yes, it's back). this is really these strange problems are really causing me a headache.
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>Hit the Insert button and see if it toggles the behavior you don't want to the behavior you do want, then back and forth.