>>Hi Dan,
>>
>>Look at sysmetric(3) and sysmetric(4) as well. they tell you the border width of the form. Also 10 and 11 (for non-sizeble borders).
>>
>>Sysmetric(9) tells you the height windows sets for a window title. I doesn't change if you don't have a title, it's just the default setting for all window titles. I put the following in a button and it lines a form up perfectly next to the button.
>>
>>x = newobject('form')
>>x.titlebar = 0
>>x.top = this.top + thisform.top + sysmetric(9) + sysmetric(4)
>>x.left = this.left + this.width + thisform.left + sysmetric(3)
>>x.show
>>
>>hth.
>
>If you turn the title bar off will it still work? It would sure be nice if VFP had a HeaderHeight property. Or is that asking to much. < g >

Um.. See the bold line above, but it works the same with/without titlebar.