>>Actually, I just turned the titlebar off in design mode, added a command button on the form and in the click event I have the code
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>>WAIT WINDOW STR( SYSMETRIC( 9 ) ) NOWAIT
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>>I added a THISFORM.TitleBar = 0
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>>And still this always returns 24.
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>AFAIK it will always return the OS system setting for a title bar height. It's not returning the height of the titlebar on a form. It the setting that VFP looks at to determine the height of a titlebar should be.
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>Did the code not work? It worked fine for me.

No. The called form is always in the same position but the calling form shifts up when the title bar disappears.

Here's the code in form a's command button click event

IF THIS.Caption = "NOTITLE"
   THISFORM.TitleBar = 0
   THIS.Caption = "TITLE"
ELSE
   THISFORM.TitleBar = 1
   THIS.Caption = "NOTITLE"
ENDIF

DO FORM B NOSHOW NAME oForm
oForm.Top = THIS.Top + THISFORM.Top + SYSMETRIC( 19 ) + SYSMETRIC( 4 )
oForm.Left = THIS.Left + THISFORM.Left + THIS.Width + SYSMETRIC( 3 )
oFormShow