Jorge-

>I'm trying to use the objects collection, in the debugger it says that it's an

You put your finger on it, actually. The objects collection is a collection and not really an array. The info in the debugger is erroneous.

Instead of using ALEN, you would check the .ControlCount property which will tell you how many controls are in the collection. (As Erik pointed out, it doesn't tell you about the controls with containers, though.)