>Craig...
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>You knew I would see this....

Yup

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>As for my response....
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>>As for market share, it seems to be increasing. I attribute this to a number of things:
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>The VFP market share IS NOT increasing. At best, it is holding constant. Yes, there are new people that use the product. However, the rate of new people is at or below the rate that people leave.
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>>1) The Fox team at MS is bigger than it was a year ago.
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>Are you talking support or core development? The core development team has not grown. As for support, I don't think that has grown either. So, just where do you get these facts....????

Look back at some of Ken Levy's final posts here on the UT.

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>>2) Fox is getting a serious look at by many people since being bundled with >Visual Studio
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>Really??? Who???? Unless I hear the words "Visual FoxPro" coming out of Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer's mouth in a positve light, I would have to politely disagree with this statement. Cmon Craig, VFP has been part of Visual Studio for 2 years now.....
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>Was it at TechEd? - No...
>Was it at PDC? - No...
>Was it mentioned at this year's DevDays? - No...

Talk to the people that were at the XML conference earlier this year. Now, I wasn't there, so I can only pass on what those that were there said here on the UT. VFP got more mention than any other Visual Studio product.

I *did* hear Bill say something positive about MS Barney (you were there too), but that doesn't make me want to rush out and buy it.

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>>3) My conversations with several people at MS...and that includes people not on the Fox team
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>Shall I compare comments I have received to your's??? I don't think you would want me to do this?

Wouldn't matter either way. We both have talked to people inside MS that would say total opposite things.

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>>4) The VFP certifications exams. These will definately help increase attention on the product.
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>You think so...??? Sure, the MCP folks are interested in someone to review the exams. They need to.

Yes, I do, but I don't think it help alot...but every little bit helps, IMO.
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>Sorry Craig... I like you, but I think you are being a little dillusional here....<s>....
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>Just being the realist I am.... I am one of the biggest fan's of the product. But I am not naive enough to think that anybody outside the VFP community gives a rat's butt about the product... I beat the drum for a long time. My nick name with some VB folks was "last of the jedi...". If anybody has carried the VFP torch to the outside masses, it has been me.

I think you've done a great job of cross-polinating languages.

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>Nobody gives a crap about VFP outside the VFP community...PERIOD.
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>It is our little secret....

ANd you know what...that doesn't bother me. In fact, if anything, I think that means more work for us.