>Yes, I downloaded the bata and it didn't "take". I had previously run the same thing in an earlier version from my Devcon 98 disc. It was for a VM 1.X version of VM and VFP5. I've asked MS for help with bata releases before and expect not to get any beter response this time. That is why I'm asking if anyone here has run this successfully. Thanks for your response.
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>Greg

I've downloaded them, but haven't actually played with them. You must have Visual Modeler or Rational Rose installed first, then install the wizards.