> Oh, absolutely. MS is saying if we can't play the Java game by our own rules we won't play at all.

I don't think so. I think it may have to do with the DOJ and making the government a little happier. BUt I think they main reason is the overall disappointing turnout of Java as a language in general. Especially after nobody (and this isn't only MS) managed to create a true Java compiler that created usable output that performed well.

Markus