>I generally try to ignore all of the 'Fox is Dead' threads that come up, but the simple fact that they come up again and again is quite disturbing. A lot of people seem to think that Fox is gone already, and I have been contending with the results for at least two years.

I'm doing load jobs, so have a little time in between :) So:

One other point that I have from here: FP was a ubiquitous end-user tool here in FPDOS and FPW. *Everyone* used it (we had a site license) and did simple little data/query/report stuff. Then along came vfp3, and the fox "dark days." The future was questionable, but even worse, the end users found it difficult to transcend to vfp3, as the product became more developer-oriented, and quit using it in droves. Access & Excel became popular for accomplishing the same tasks. So, FP generally lost favor, and on top of that vfp3 was a pretty buggy product, so even developers were leaving. Add to that Gartner Group recommendations, and ka-blooey for vfp3.

A few of us stuck with it, though, through those dark days, and now things have turned around considerably. PB had become the main large-app dev tool, but they've had just monumental problems with both the tool itself, and finding good PB developers. VB has gone down the drain as a large-app dev tool after several large systems attempted with it failed. Add to that a few very successful vfp5 & 6 apps, and you have a new perspective even at the top-level here. Not chomping at the bit for it, exactly, but at least being open-minded about vfp now.

Being included in VS has been a big factor in getting vfp some new respect, too.