>Thanks for the advice. I started with everything on one form, but the controls scrolled off. So I put the controls on a toolbar, but the guys back in the office didn't like it. They want the controls on the same form. But the "pageframe" on the form has got to scroll to fit everything on it, so hence the problem.

While I believe that you need to try to get the UI how the user requests it, sometimes it doesn't make sense or is impossible to do. I think once the got what they are asking for, they would hate it.

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>As for bad GUI design, your URL didn't work. Could you send it again so I can check out the site.
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Sorry about that. This one works. http://www.iarchitect.com/shame.htm

>Thanks!