>>>Thanks, this is a bit neater until we figure out the proper way to do this. Anyone? Has anyone had problems releasing forms when you have "this.objref = thisform.txtMyTextBox" in controls?
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>>Forgive me for backpedaling a little here, but why are you setting up your addressing in this way to begin with?
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>Because the form will not form will not release if any of its child objects has an external reference. So instead of using a true VFP object reference the child object is referenced be name and then dereferenced via a with/endwith statement. Hope this Clarifies
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>Peter

I guess what I'm trying to figure out why the need to set up the external reference to begin with. I can imagine some examples - for instance, when you want to do a given set of operations to any one of several objects, you could assign an object reference of the selected object to a variable or property and then use that reference - that's the point of polymorphism.

But if you do that to an object on a form, it only makes sense that the form will not release, since there is a live reference to an object on the form external to the form, and the object is not released until all references are released, thus it's container (the form) is not released.

If you are trying to get the benefits of polymorphism, you might want to destroy the spare object reference after you are done working with it. If you simply want to do a dereferencing with WITH/ENDWITH, you can do that with the true address, too. If none of those, then I'm not sure why you are setting up the external reference in the first place. That was my backpedaling question - what is the actual effect of what you are trying to do?