>JimB,
>
>FWIW taking the hub out of the loop didn't change anything. but the pack today must have gotten rid of something that it didn't on Monday because the load time is at least down to 10 seconds which is MUCH better than 30!

David,

In this extreme case, why not redo a new form from scratch, adding controls and methods one by one until you (hopefully) discover what it was?

José