/ ** loop below sets the getfldstate() flag for changes in the memobox, / ** despite there being NO commands inside the if/endif statement / if this.value <> oldval(this.controlsource, thisform.cdbf) I wonder if simply one void call =oldval(this.controlsource, thisform.cdbf) ..could do the trick. In the days of 2.6 I used to keep invisible fields in line 0 of the screen, and had a generator which explicitly created a m.var for them, and Gather commands (for multiple tables too); now the generator is history and the problem reoccurs. Still, there may be the way to automatically handle all the invisible fields which should be written into table(s), if such a call could be coded into some base form class.