>>>(whisper - I hate frameworks).
>>(Whisper back- frameworks are easy to hate if you didn't write them. But this shouldn't deter you from writing and using your own robust framework)
>(whisper - I don't want to but "have to" use this one for the moment:()

Yelling - WHY ARE YOU SO QUIET?! ;-) IAC, I like my framework, and I didn't write it (I never have, I want to write a public domain one soon though that is usable), I got it from a pal.