this is Michel's "fault" as he enhanches his site to NS and not MSIE if you specify the size of images MSIE will have place holders for them and the form will not bounce around. in NS the behaviur is different I agree that it is time consuming to try to make a page look good with both browsers sometimes you have no choice but to make 2 versions of the page... Arnon >In MSIE I can't type my name until ALL the graphics load, as the name >fields keep moving around the screen. Very time consuming and annoying, >particularly if I've cleaned out my cache. NS is easier, particularly >since you put the name fields back in the top portion of the screen >(thanks).