Hi Rex.

>> So if the RelativeRow is > 0 and I move up one row and the RelativeRow is 0, I know that the ActiveRow is above the visible area <<

If the grid has focus and RelativeRow = 0 you know that the current record is not in the visible portion of the grid. It could be above or below. The only way this happens (other than programmatically < s > ) is when the user sets focus to a grid cell and then uses the vertical scroll bar to scroll that row out of sight.

What, exactly, are you trying to accomplish here?

Marcia