You got cut off, try sending only after you have deleted the previous messages. That seems to work for me. As far as the documentation goes, I can tell you a story or 2 about Microsoft contradicting itself about a certain TOPIC. One topic is OOP. It seems to contradict itself as to what abstract and encapsulation are. I know what they are, but in the Developer's guide it says one thing and in the OOPINTRO.EXE off Microsoft's web site, it says another! See you!