>Umm, Mike, in what way can you have ActiveX controls not be a COM object? Or is the difference only that what you call ActiveX has a UI grafted on it and the straight COM version just be accessed programmatically without its own UI elements?

Yeah, thats what I mean. In Mike terms, the ActiveX uses an OLEContainer on a form to use the object and the COM uses CreateObject(). If you want to put code in the events of the object, is it possible to use CreateObject, or are you limited to the OLEContainer? Either way, I don't think it will take care of a C5 :-(