>OK. point well taken and i stand corrected about MS and Devcon. However, you really wouldn't tell a beginner to go to Devcon to learn Foxpro would you?

Absolutely. My first comprehensive exposure to VFP was the Devcon [Scottsdale] about 5 years ago when VFP 5 was released. Along with the presentations, video, software and the resource CD, I was loaded for bear when I got back to work. I have not missed a DevCon since.