just look at the VFUG FAQ - for the complete list :) Arnon > > >Hello all,> I need to make a form with out the title bar. I have > removed all the buttons and the caption is (NONE) control box = .f....>>I > know that i have done this in the past, I just cant remember how. Was that > 3.0?You're in the rigth direction, may be you forget some controlbox or > properties.Closable,Movable ... all = .F.:) >