>hmmmm. That's interesting John. Yet another rude awakening perhaps. So where's our marketing leverage as M$ VS developers in the enterprise market?

It will come, but slowly. You should understand that large IT shops do not shift tools and gears overnight. It's as much politics and CYA as it is technical.

>Does VS have enough innovation in it yet to make it a more cost effective development choice yet over the non M$ tools and techologies... I'm not sure if anyone up here can answer that, but that sure does make a better hair to split than the debate of which VS tool is better.

I think the wrong word here is "innovation". MS loves to put out new versions of it's tools every 18 months with newer and neater features. We love it, MS loves it...IT managers HATE IT. We are continually asking them to risk multi-million dollar businesses on technologies that are not mature. And by the time they mature, there goes MS replacing them.

ODBC is a good example of this. It took a long time for big IT to embrace ODBC as a standard of data access for MS and non-MS data. Now ODBC is shouldered aside by MS in favor of OLE DB.