>You know Bill you are right. Thing is though fox related irritation at the lack of M$ marketing is old news

I know that I am still being idealistic here, you'll have to pardon the stars in my eyes *bg*

>I think our only recourse is to go out and promote the product ourselves. Write our own whitepapers & articles and promote the jobs we complete successfully and hope that it has a snowball effect and changes the market enough for M$ to notice. Not that I think that will really work either, but that's I like to believe :)

That's what I was looking for--answers. We as a group (and most groups I have ever seen) spend a lot of time chewing on the problem, and not enough time looking for solutions *we* can initiate. Chewing on the issues just leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Looking for those things that are within our sphere of influence is what is needed.

Taking it to the public ourselves certainly fits that criteria, and may ultimately be our only recourse.

I am also curious how often has this community *as a community* attempted to lobby MS to revise their rhetoric a little to include VFP?

Thanks again Rox,
Bill