Maybe I was being a little too harsh in that last post. I just do not understand why Microsoft marketing continually makes it more and more difficult to justify using what is an excellent product. Why couldn't VFP be mentioned in any of the Visual Studio Next Generation web pages besides being included in the image? What does Microsoft lose by including two simple words alongside Visual Basic and Visual C++? And how does this exclusion thank the hundreds of thousands of VFP programmers who have remained loyal to the product?