>Ship some of those managers over here

LOL! I'll charge you with the shipment fee... :-)

>>The above products you mentioned are not tools capable of doing full blown business applications. You should have VB or Delphi or PB added in your arsenal.

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>NOT TRUE! I am working on a very large Intranet for a major telecom company
>in Plano Texas. Stored procedures within SQL Server 7.0 can do some
>amazing table manipulations. And ADO can be used to access multiple
>recordsets produced by a single sproc. You are wrong! This is a very large,
>very important, "full blown business application".

Yes I know. What I am after for is the UI layer - speaking outside the intranet/internet world. Are you saying you will do it with JavaScript/ASP/VBScript?

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>>With the promises of Visual Studio 7, you can do even better business applications than Java. It is painful to do full blown app with Java as for the current version. The only advantage that I knew of with Java for now is its cross-platform capabilities and internet features.
>
>Again, the demand drives all. Even if the demand is wrong.