>I admitted I'm misguided as far as the stability stuff goes, but how come every web solution has to revolve around Visual Studio, or MS at all for that matter? Thats all I really meant.

Ahhhh. That's a good point. The only folks who would say (or rather, "think") that are us M$ developers running the hamster wheel diligently. Ever look at ColdFusion? When the NextGen news broke I skimmed an article over on CNET I think, raving about projected sales for 2000 carving out a decent piece of the data centric web pie.