>>But if you notice my reply says -within- .
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>Oh, Ok, I wouldn't know

It appears that is the case.

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>>To the initial discussion, my only comment is I wouldn't compare Notepad with VI.
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>But all it does is build text files < g >, I know, I know

So because of that you would use notepad for your asp development? or to write sql stored procedures? or html documents? I do not think people use it for that.