>>There are some major differences in Frameworks and RAD tools. I consider VPM, VFE & CodeMine to be RAD, and Mere Mortals, CodeBook, and MaxFrame to be Frameworks.
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>>Differences are a major point to consider. RAD tools want to do it all for you, and you have to bend it out of the way in some places to accomplish what you need. Frameworks are just tools that you use to make your work easier.
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>Wrong, at least as far as VFE is concerned. I'll demonstrate some of that at the next SIG meeting. VFE gives you total control, you just have to know where the bones are buried. I add classes, subclass, etc. all the time. VFE just gives me a leg up on the others because it produces the forms and reads the datadictionary for many of the settings.
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>Things like lookups that let the user add a new whatever on the fly are built right into the product. Then there's a post lookup process that you can add your own code into if you need to do something else after validation.
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>It's about as good as it gets. You are also free to change the base classes if you want, but the recommended method is to change the intermediate classes, or add your own. You can't get more wide open than that.

I'm not saying you can't add to it. On the positive point you can! What I'm saying is that it's completely in control, and spliting it open to start doing things your way requires a sophistication with OOP. Most people who are looking for a framework are just getting their teeth cut in VFP and don't have that experience.

So what are you showing?

How about showing some of the new features in classes and abstractions of them. There were some new layers like an adminstration class or business process??? I can't remember the name but showing what that can do woudl be great. I would like to see something that is not based off of west wind for a change.

I may be showing VB wrappers like we are using to get to active x components. that is if I understand it <bg>. That means opening up VB at the meeting.

__Stephen