> get the same attention and advertising budget from MS. A data-centric > product just doesn't appeal to everyone, even if it's the best there is. True. Folks certainly don't get excited when they hear "SQL Server" or "Access". It's funny. I've got a customer who called me a few months ago, asking about Access. I told him then that it was the wrong thing for him to use, considering the application(s) that he wanted to build, but he said that consultant X had said it was good, so he was going to go with it. I'll be re-writing all of his Access applications fairly soon because he is so disheartened with the results <g>